Comments on: The Reality of Rural Thailand http://thailandlandofsmiles.com/2009/11/16/reality-rural-thailand/ Wed, 10 Feb 2010 13:17:30 +0700 hourly 1 By: uberVU - social comments http://thailandlandofsmiles.com/2009/11/16/reality-rural-thailand/comment-page-1/#comment-9033 uberVU - social comments Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:37:39 +0000 http://thailandlandofsmiles.com/?p=2735#comment-9033 <strong>Social comments and analytics for this post...</strong> This post was mentioned on Twitter by landofsmiles: New post: The Reality of Rural Thailand (http://cli.gs/P1ezG) http://cli.gs/P1ezG #Thailand... Social comments and analytics for this post…

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By: Talen http://thailandlandofsmiles.com/2009/11/16/reality-rural-thailand/comment-page-1/#comment-9012 Talen Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:55:57 +0000 http://thailandlandofsmiles.com/?p=2735#comment-9012 Martyn, remind me one day to show you the picture of me with my rural boots and straw hat on...it made my sister piss her self. I think Tesco's and Top's are encroaching on the way of life but I doubt they could ever do it cheaply enough to make a Thai stop doing what they do. That's pretty much why we eat the crap that we do...it's mass produced and cheaper than what's good for us. Martyn, remind me one day to show you the picture of me with my rural boots and straw hat on…it made my sister piss her self.

I think Tesco’s and Top’s are encroaching on the way of life but I doubt they could ever do it cheaply enough to make a Thai stop doing what they do.

That’s pretty much why we eat the crap that we do…it’s mass produced and cheaper than what’s good for us.

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By: Martyn http://thailandlandofsmiles.com/2009/11/16/reality-rural-thailand/comment-page-1/#comment-9011 Martyn Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:08:45 +0000 http://thailandlandofsmiles.com/?p=2735#comment-9011 I really do enjoy your writing when you don your rural boots and put your straw hat on. Food preservation in the Isaan villages is a need to survive and one that is an obvious choice with the volume of produce about. In the hot sticky heat, sustaining food 'shelf life' is paramount in that survival technique and one which is to the villagers a natural way of life. I do still get amazed at the huge differences in Thai city life to the villages, a throwback in time if I've ever seen one and one that is visible in the passing of just a score or so kilometres. I wonder at times if the emergence of the Tesco's and the Thai's want for more modern housing and technology will one day shrink and blend those two worlds into one. That would be sad and an end to most of the food preservation and survival tricks that are abundant in rural Thailand right now. .-= Martyn´s last blog ..<a href="http://www.thaisabai.org/2009/11/thai-bar-girls-food-phones-and-thumbs/" rel="nofollow">Thai Bar Girls – Food, Phones and Thumbs</a> =-. I really do enjoy your writing when you don your rural boots and put your straw hat on. Food preservation in the Isaan villages is a need to survive and one that is an obvious choice with the volume of produce about. In the hot sticky heat, sustaining food ’shelf life’ is paramount in that survival technique and one which is to the villagers a natural way of life.

I do still get amazed at the huge differences in Thai city life to the villages, a throwback in time if I’ve ever seen one and one that is visible in the passing of just a score or so kilometres. I wonder at times if the emergence of the Tesco’s and the Thai’s want for more modern housing and technology will one day shrink and blend those two worlds into one. That would be sad and an end to most of the food preservation and survival tricks that are abundant in rural Thailand right now.
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By: Talen http://thailandlandofsmiles.com/2009/11/16/reality-rural-thailand/comment-page-1/#comment-9006 Talen Wed, 18 Nov 2009 07:54:27 +0000 http://thailandlandofsmiles.com/?p=2735#comment-9006 Matt, Very good write up on your site. I had always known that big business was behind the small farm logos...I live near Purdue. I didn't know just how bad the big companies screw the farmers or just how bad corn was for cows and ultimately us. It would be nice if more Americans saw this film but unfortunately most Americans are more concerned with American Idol than how they are being screwed. Matt, Very good write up on your site. I had always known that big business was behind the small farm logos…I live near Purdue. I didn’t know just how bad the big companies screw the farmers or just how bad corn was for cows and ultimately us.

It would be nice if more Americans saw this film but unfortunately most Americans are more concerned with American Idol than how they are being screwed.

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By: Matt SF http://thailandlandofsmiles.com/2009/11/16/reality-rural-thailand/comment-page-1/#comment-9005 Matt SF Wed, 18 Nov 2009 07:17:40 +0000 http://thailandlandofsmiles.com/?p=2735#comment-9005 Excellent write up Talen, and thanks for the link. I worked very briefly in the types of facilities mentioned in "Food, Inc." and the reality of mass produced food from the factory floor is far different from the simple farmer image that billion dollar marketing campaigns promote on American television. That's partly why I posted the video because I've seen the sorts of things that most people don't get a chance to see because of laws, red tape, etc, until the film was produced. Like you, I grew up in smalltown America where we probably grew 50% or more of our own food ourselves. Now that I live a "modern" American lifestyle, I might grow 5-10% if I'm lucky. Part of the great specialized workforce that America promotes... but when we lose jobs, some folks just go hungry I suppose. The good thing is that word is beginning to spread about the film and hopefully the surge in "recession gardens" being planted in 2008 will start to make a dent. Thanks again for the link. .-= Matt SF´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/SteadfastFinances/~3/U55OxZe2a_Q/" rel="nofollow">Confirmation Bias: Search for Information that You Don’t Want to Hear</a> =-. Excellent write up Talen, and thanks for the link.

I worked very briefly in the types of facilities mentioned in “Food, Inc.” and the reality of mass produced food from the factory floor is far different from the simple farmer image that billion dollar marketing campaigns promote on American television. That’s partly why I posted the video because I’ve seen the sorts of things that most people don’t get a chance to see because of laws, red tape, etc, until the film was produced.

Like you, I grew up in smalltown America where we probably grew 50% or more of our own food ourselves. Now that I live a “modern” American lifestyle, I might grow 5-10% if I’m lucky. Part of the great specialized workforce that America promotes… but when we lose jobs, some folks just go hungry I suppose.

The good thing is that word is beginning to spread about the film and hopefully the surge in “recession gardens” being planted in 2008 will start to make a dent. Thanks again for the link.
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By: Talen http://thailandlandofsmiles.com/2009/11/16/reality-rural-thailand/comment-page-1/#comment-9003 Talen Wed, 18 Nov 2009 03:28:40 +0000 http://thailandlandofsmiles.com/?p=2735#comment-9003 Mike, I agree that some areas of the world such as parts of Africa obviously would have problems with this scenario. Even though the global population has increased we could still feed everyone. The majority of America's corn crops get sold below market and are used by the tons for things we could do without such as high fructose corn syrup and feeding cows that should only be eating grass. Unfortunately it's all a Utopian dream as the majority of westerners want quick and easy no matter how bad it is for them. Mike,
I agree that some areas of the world such as parts of Africa obviously would have problems with this scenario.

Even though the global population has increased we could still feed everyone. The majority of America’s corn crops get sold below market and are used by the tons for things we could do without such as high fructose corn syrup and feeding cows that should only be eating grass.

Unfortunately it’s all a Utopian dream as the majority of westerners want quick and easy no matter how bad it is for them.

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By: Mike http://thailandlandofsmiles.com/2009/11/16/reality-rural-thailand/comment-page-1/#comment-8999 Mike Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:03:23 +0000 http://thailandlandofsmiles.com/?p=2735#comment-8999 I believe the sentiment of your post is spot on but small rural communities producing their own stuff is fine until you take a closer look at some areas of Africa for instance. I picked up on something on Nat Geo the other night regarding feeding the world and sadly without intensive methods there is not going to be enough to go round soon. Even as a lad in the UK we collected and preserved many things as I guess you might have done, unfortunately the global population has increased somewhat since then. I am sure it works well in rural Isaan and I agree they could survive if the apocalypse suddenly arrived or at least the ones still living there and not in Bangkok and Pattaya would. .-= Mike´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/TheTeflDon/~3/hkAi2_lDzcg/phuket-answer-to-plastic-bags-waste-in.html" rel="nofollow">Phuket- Answer to Plastic Bags Waste in Thailand?</a> =-. I believe the sentiment of your post is spot on but small rural communities producing their own stuff is fine until you take a closer look at some areas of Africa for instance.

I picked up on something on Nat Geo the other night regarding feeding the world and sadly without intensive methods there is not going to be enough to go round soon.

Even as a lad in the UK we collected and preserved many things as I guess you might have done, unfortunately the global population has increased somewhat since then.

I am sure it works well in rural Isaan and I agree they could survive if the apocalypse suddenly arrived or at least the ones still living there and not in Bangkok and Pattaya would.
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By: SiamRick http://thailandlandofsmiles.com/2009/11/16/reality-rural-thailand/comment-page-1/#comment-8998 SiamRick Tue, 17 Nov 2009 08:08:05 +0000 http://thailandlandofsmiles.com/?p=2735#comment-8998 Cat, you wrote: <i>It all depends where you are in the west. I went out feasting on broccoli after moving to France because the taste was so amazing. </i> I agree, and it seems in Europe they appreciate good tasting food and have laws to regulate it. In Canada, we have allowed the agri-industry to virtually write our laws protecting their industry. Hence everything's for the convenience of industry, which means lower food value and sometimes nasty outbreaks at giant food processing plants. Imagine what would happen if one food processor went out of business. There'd be sudden shortages, etc. becasue we've given away diversity of quality and sources. Where I live I am able to easily buy organic veg, unpasteurized honey, and naturally raised food animals. The taste is better as is the nutrition, but I have to give Thailand the nod in terms of taste. .-= SiamRick´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/BehindTheNoodleCurtain/~3/aLDyl8wwC1U/my-first-look-at-north-korean-film-a-schoolgirls-diary.html" rel="nofollow">My first look at North Korean film, A Schoolgirl’s Diary</a> =-. Cat, you wrote:
It all depends where you are in the west. I went out feasting on broccoli after moving to France because the taste was so amazing.

I agree, and it seems in Europe they appreciate good tasting food and have laws to regulate it. In Canada, we have allowed the agri-industry to virtually write our laws protecting their industry. Hence everything’s for the convenience of industry, which means lower food value and sometimes nasty outbreaks at giant food processing plants. Imagine what would happen if one food processor went out of business. There’d be sudden shortages, etc. becasue we’ve given away diversity of quality and sources.

Where I live I am able to easily buy organic veg, unpasteurized honey, and naturally raised food animals. The taste is better as is the nutrition, but I have to give Thailand the nod in terms of taste.
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By: Catherine http://thailandlandofsmiles.com/2009/11/16/reality-rural-thailand/comment-page-1/#comment-8997 Catherine Tue, 17 Nov 2009 05:41:11 +0000 http://thailandlandofsmiles.com/?p=2735#comment-8997 I have thought of growing in pots, but with a deep balcony, I have my doubts that there would be enough sun. And I have been waiting for ages and ages for my lotus to flower just so's I can write that post on Tropical Gardening... no luck yet. (lotuses flower all over Thailand under eaves with morning or afternoon sun, so what gives?) Kit cat bars... :-D I have thought of growing in pots, but with a deep balcony, I have my doubts that there would be enough sun.

And I have been waiting for ages and ages for my lotus to flower just so’s I can write that post on Tropical Gardening… no luck yet.

(lotuses flower all over Thailand under eaves with morning or afternoon sun, so what gives?)

Kit cat bars… :-D

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By: Talen http://thailandlandofsmiles.com/2009/11/16/reality-rural-thailand/comment-page-1/#comment-8996 Talen Tue, 17 Nov 2009 05:30:53 +0000 http://thailandlandofsmiles.com/?p=2735#comment-8996 You can always grow in pots cat lol. And if you can figure out how to grow kit kat bars it would be greatly appreciated. You can always grow in pots cat lol. And if you can figure out how to grow kit kat bars it would be greatly appreciated.

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By: Catherine http://thailandlandofsmiles.com/2009/11/16/reality-rural-thailand/comment-page-1/#comment-8995 Catherine Tue, 17 Nov 2009 04:58:30 +0000 http://thailandlandofsmiles.com/?p=2735#comment-8995 Talen, I have no real answers. I'd happily have a garden to grow what I'd need, but garden = house = living anywhere but Thailand (unless I want to jump through many hoops and take a chance at losing my investment in the end). I understand what you mean about the US (the part I was in anyway). When I lived in Houston I shopped at the Farmer's Market. I expected to get fresh tasting produce, but that did not happen. The produce was brought to the city straight from their farms, so I expected fresh and tasty. It was barely above supermarket tastes, so I switched to buying in the Village. But that increased my costs and travel time (45min one way) without a great increase in taste. Only the assurance that the produce was organic. Going from Houston to Pau, I experienced truly great veg. Only, in France, I found the wonderful veg at the local supermarché. And if the French can do it, why <em>not</em> the US? .-= Catherine´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/womenlearnthai/PKcd/~3/CG06t-dV2to/" rel="nofollow">Free Download: The Ultimate Survival Guide to Thailand</a> =-. Talen, I have no real answers. I’d happily have a garden to grow what I’d need, but garden = house = living anywhere but Thailand (unless I want to jump through many hoops and take a chance at losing my investment in the end).

I understand what you mean about the US (the part I was in anyway). When I lived in Houston I shopped at the Farmer’s Market. I expected to get fresh tasting produce, but that did not happen.

The produce was brought to the city straight from their farms, so I expected fresh and tasty. It was barely above supermarket tastes, so I switched to buying in the Village. But that increased my costs and travel time (45min one way) without a great increase in taste. Only the assurance that the produce was organic.

Going from Houston to Pau, I experienced truly great veg. Only, in France, I found the wonderful veg at the local supermarché. And if the French can do it, why not the US?
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By: Talen http://thailandlandofsmiles.com/2009/11/16/reality-rural-thailand/comment-page-1/#comment-8994 Talen Tue, 17 Nov 2009 04:43:24 +0000 http://thailandlandofsmiles.com/?p=2735#comment-8994 Cat, maybe the modern lifestyle is the problem. How long do you think we can sustain living like we do. The economic challenges we are facing right now should be a wakeup call for everyone. We've become a service society in the West and that is a bad bad thing. Luckily if you live near rural areas in the states you can get great fresh produce but in the winter time it's lacking in taste. Cat, maybe the modern lifestyle is the problem. How long do you think we can sustain living like we do. The economic challenges we are facing right now should be a wakeup call for everyone.

We’ve become a service society in the West and that is a bad bad thing.

Luckily if you live near rural areas in the states you can get great fresh produce but in the winter time it’s lacking in taste.

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By: Catherine http://thailandlandofsmiles.com/2009/11/16/reality-rural-thailand/comment-page-1/#comment-8993 Catherine Tue, 17 Nov 2009 04:26:57 +0000 http://thailandlandofsmiles.com/?p=2735#comment-8993 'People here in the west wouldn’t believe they were tomatoes because the ones we get now are juiceless, tasteless and practically colourless.' It all depends where you are in the west. I went ott feasting on broccoli after moving to France because the taste was so amazing. Broccoli with flavours to die for, who knew? For tomatoes, my top choice is the UK. As soon as I land, I head to Sainsbury's to stick my nose in the most heavenly smell in the world - ripe tomatoes still on the vine. Sigh... .-= Catherine´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/womenlearnthai/PKcd/~3/CG06t-dV2to/" rel="nofollow">Free Download: The Ultimate Survival Guide to Thailand</a> =-. ‘People here in the west wouldn’t believe they were tomatoes because the ones we get now are juiceless, tasteless and practically colourless.’

It all depends where you are in the west. I went ott feasting on broccoli after moving to France because the taste was so amazing. Broccoli with flavours to die for, who knew?

For tomatoes, my top choice is the UK. As soon as I land, I head to Sainsbury’s to stick my nose in the most heavenly smell in the world – ripe tomatoes still on the vine. Sigh…
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By: Catherine http://thailandlandofsmiles.com/2009/11/16/reality-rural-thailand/comment-page-1/#comment-8992 Catherine Tue, 17 Nov 2009 04:21:26 +0000 http://thailandlandofsmiles.com/?p=2735#comment-8992 The hard work is the problem, mostly because it is so time-consuming. I mean, with a modern lifestyle, as well as needing to bring in an income, who has the time to keep the family supplied with food all year around? So it would have to be a compromise situation of some sort. I <em>love</em> peanuts. But just the nuts, nothing more. On Borneo they served roasted peanuts with little dried fishes. I don't like little dried fishes. Or little dried shrimp for that matter. When visiting Kampong Ayer (water village in Brunei), I would walk by seafood drying along the boardwalks. Laying in the sun, the seafood would attract flies and the odd cat. So in my mind, peanuts with little fishes are NOT yum. (but as I'm not starving, my avoidance is no great loss :-D .-= Catherine´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/womenlearnthai/PKcd/~3/CG06t-dV2to/" rel="nofollow">Free Download: The Ultimate Survival Guide to Thailand</a> =-. The hard work is the problem, mostly because it is so time-consuming.

I mean, with a modern lifestyle, as well as needing to bring in an income, who has the time to keep the family supplied with food all year around?

So it would have to be a compromise situation of some sort.

I love peanuts. But just the nuts, nothing more.

On Borneo they served roasted peanuts with little dried fishes.

I don’t like little dried fishes. Or little dried shrimp for that matter.

When visiting Kampong Ayer (water village in Brunei), I would walk by seafood drying along the boardwalks. Laying in the sun, the seafood would attract flies and the odd cat.

So in my mind, peanuts with little fishes are NOT yum.

(but as I’m not starving, my avoidance is no great loss :-D
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By: Talen http://thailandlandofsmiles.com/2009/11/16/reality-rural-thailand/comment-page-1/#comment-8991 Talen Tue, 17 Nov 2009 04:15:35 +0000 http://thailandlandofsmiles.com/?p=2735#comment-8991 Rick, The two family homes in Mukdahan and Nakhon Phanom are amazing. They had at least a few of every type of fruit bearing trees as well as nuts. They grow their own rice and bamboo and other farmers in the area grow corn and other vegetables that they all trade for. They have man made ponds among the rice fields to grow fish in and the larger ponds you can find many clams in thanks to the birds. it seems the future is the past and it will be much better for us. Rick,
The two family homes in Mukdahan and Nakhon Phanom are amazing. They had at least a few of every type of fruit bearing trees as well as nuts. They grow their own rice and bamboo and other farmers in the area grow corn and other vegetables that they all trade for.

They have man made ponds among the rice fields to grow fish in and the larger ponds you can find many clams in thanks to the birds.

it seems the future is the past and it will be much better for us.

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