Outrage Over Hmong Repatriation Misplaced

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The Hmong Came to Thailand as refugees from Laos in 2004-2005 and they have remained in Huay Nam Khao refugee camp in Petchabun Province  guarded by the Thai military until this past Thursday when 452 of the Hmong refugees were among the first to be repatriated back to Laos.

Cries of outrage have echoed across the blogoshpere and through the world news outlets about Thailand’s great injustice about how Thailand refused U.N. access for interviews with the refugees, about how the Thai army wouldn’t reveal their screening process and of course how the Hmong have legitimate protection concerns and Thailand isn’t protecting them.

This isn’t going to be one of those articles.

The United States, Australia, Canada and Australia all condemned the forced repatriation as well as the U.N., who recognized the Hmong’s refugee status. The aforementioned countries also offered the 4,400 Hmong refugees resettlement in their respective countries. So here’s the question, why haven’t these countries resettled the Hmong? Why hasn’t the U.N. stepped in and asked that the Hmong be handed over to them for resettlement in another country?

This situation didn’t just begin on Thursday, this has been an ongoing concern for 4 years. These countries and the U.N. couldn’t figure it out in that length of time? Of course they couldn’t,  because they never had any intention of resettling the Hmong. While they cry about abysmal conditions in the refugee camp and they disagree with Thailand’s assessment that the Hmong are economic and not political refugees they didn’t take the time or the diplomatic initiative to do anything about it.

The U.N. and the United States are the last entities that should be crying foul with their abysmal records of refugee treatment. Has everyone forgotten the Cuban refugee crisis of the 80’s in the United States when Fidel Castro figured out how to relieve his over populated prison cells? The problem was Castro not only released his prisoners on America but normal everyday Cuban citizens saw this as their chance as well and boarded anything that would float for America.

The United States had their own Abysmal refugee camps in Miami where murders happened daily and basic necessities were scarce. The United States not only forcible repatriated thousands of Cubans, which went against their own dictate they also patrolled the waters off of Florida and fired warning shots across the bows of boats filled with refugees heading to America. To add insult to injury they forced these boats to return to Cuba where many of these refugees were imprisoned and killed. Not to mention that many of these boats that were returned had a staggering death rate due to starvation and dehydration due to lack of food and water. Where was the U.S. outrage then? Where was the U.N. then?

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When I hear of the U.S. State Departments outrage over the Forced Hmong repatriation I have visions of  Elián González being forcibly repatriated to Cuba by armed Force.  While the Elián González incident is a little different than the Hmong I think the picture clearly shows how The United States saw fit to repatriate a child. The family weren’t cooperating with the U.S. State Department and refused to hand Elián González over but they weren’t exactly armed insurgents that needed to be raided by a heavily armed tactical squad.

The real outrage shouldn’t be targeted at Thailand, it should be targeted at the real cause of all the Hmong’s problems…The United States of America!

Most people reading about this situation will have no clue that the United States are the sole cause of the Hmong peoples persecution which led to this point in the first place. During the Vietnam War the CIA recruited and paid the Hmong to fight alongside American troops in a secret war to halt communism in Laos and keep Vietnam from using Laos as a site for the Ho Chi Minh trail. The communist government of Laos didn’t take too kindly to this and the Hmong have had a rough ride since.

Many thousands of Hmong have made it to the U.S. and resettled but those left behind were forgotten by the U.S. government that now so strongly condemns Thailand for not cleaning up the mess that they made

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The U.N. are just as responsible for the Hmong situation although they always like to claim that they are working on the problem. There hasn’t been a more ineffective or inefficient organization since the U.N. was created so there was no doubt that they would provide no real relief for the Hmong. The U.N. has proven time and again that they are inept at helping any citizens of the world and that is clearly evident by their inaction’s in Africa.

Thailand has housed, clothed and fed the Hmong refugees for 4 years and the Thai claims that they are economic refugees isn’t a blatant disregard for the Hmong’s political situation,  which can’t be denied,  it is a very real concern. Thailand has to deal with thousands of illegal Lao and Cambodian workers yearly. They are taking jobs from Thai citizens and it has become as big a problem as illegal Mexican immigrants in America.

It also has to be noted that Thailand is the country that will have to deal with the political and diplomatic ramifications of this situation and it’s inevitable fallout with it’s neighboring countries.

Diplomatically this has been a nightmare for Thailand especially considering the current strain on relations with Cambodia. Thailand has had an agreement with Laos for several years now to repatriate the Hmong and the Lao Government has guaranteed Thailand that the Hmong  will not be persecuted. Thailand has held off from repatriating the Hmong for 2 years because various nations and the U.N. have promised relief that never arrived. Should Thailand now forget that agreement and cause more diplomatic strife for itself?

Thailand shouldn’t become the worlds whipping boy when no one else has stepped up to do anything about the situation. Furthermore the eyes of the world should more importantly be focused on Laos and America. Laos,  to make sure that the Hmong are treated fairly and America because the United states government should be taking responsibility for the actions that led to the persecution of the Hmong in the first place.

The U.S. government created this situation with the Hmong and the U.S. government should be the one to solve this problem,  not leaving it for others to clean up as they always do. The U.S. State Departments press release of outrage should be seen as exactly what it is, just words. Once again the United States has successfully transferred responsibility onto another country and then attacked the diplomatic decisions of that country.

If you still need to feel outrage then you should consider directing it at those who created the problem and those that stated they would resettle the Hmong but didn’t. I know diplomatic lines between various countries can take time but 4 years was more than enough time to help the Hmong.  Those countries and the U.N.  that are now expressing outrage should be ashamed, they talk a good game but when it comes down to it they did nothing.

Will the world now be watching Laos, the United Nations and the United States or will it be easier to keep their anger focused on Thailand?

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16 Responses to Outrage Over Hmong Repatriation Misplaced
  1. Mike
    January 2, 2010 | 7:40 am

    Talen a well written piece from a anti-US perspective.

    Here’s a Thai one. Duen’s father(now deceased)was Hmong, he came to Thailand from Burma(Myanmar) as an economic refugee and was welcomed providing he did as he was told.

    For years he was limited were he could work and travel. Only menial low paid work was available to him. He was a second class citizen with no international travel document. A virtual prisoner in Thailand. Eventually he got Thai citizenship and made his way in life as a fisherman.

    His family are all Thai citizens, proud of their heritage, but happy to live in Thailand.

    Many other groups from the hill tribes particularly the Karen, are economic migrants from Burma, still subject to similar restrictions that Pearn suffered here.

    OK Laos is not Myanmar but the circumstances of these folk are the same. Now I wonder why Thailand doesn’t eject all these other economic migrants?

    BTW from the limited information available, I understand that in order for Hmong refugees to take up overseas placements Thailand insist they return to Loas to complete the process.
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    • Talen
      January 2, 2010 | 8:02 am

      Mike, I wouldn’t say it’s an anti U.S. perspective but more of a WTF perspective. I don’t have a problem with my country but I do have very real anger towards my ass backwards government and their irresponsible actions.

      Thailand has waffled on ejecting certain illegal immigrants…it seems like every other month the Karen are re-evaluated. The Karen and other economic immigrants though haven’t come close to the level of illegal immigrants from Cambodia or Laos.

      It could very well be that Thailand has insisted that they return before being placed overseas. Thailand has made an agreement with Laos over the Hmong and they have held off in honoring that agreement for 2 years now. What the outside world doesn’t seem to get is that Thailand exists in SEA among these other countries where diplomatic relations can become strained or disappear all together over night.

      While it’s easy for the outside world to condemn Thailand for this action I don’t think they are looking clearly at what problems exist in the region which are also a by product of American and French interventions.

      Hopefully more people will realize that when the U.N., America and all these other countries condemn Thailand it is more of the case that they need to direct attention away from the fact that they did nothing. Someone has to point out that the King isn’t wearing any clothes.

  2. ChuckWow
    January 2, 2010 | 2:18 pm

    Looking around my neck of the woods you would never know that the United States hasn’t done their part in relocating the Hmong refugees ! 452 – that’s just one block !

    IMHO the United States international policy is “Do as I say and not as I do” !

    BTW – Looks like Australia was really adamant about condemning the repatriation ! ;)

    • Talen
      January 2, 2010 | 6:18 pm

      Ah but Chuck there is a big difference from allowing refugees to come to your country and actually helping them get to your country. America has allowed thousands of Hmong into America but they haven’t lifted a finger to get them there.

      I have to agree with your take on United States international policy…

      Australia doesn’t want to seem to mad I mean they only wanted 158 of them to begin with…I guess they were trying to finish up a set and didn’t need the other 4000 or so.

  3. Catherine
    January 2, 2010 | 11:14 pm

    Talen, Lao and the Hmong especially are an unknown to me. But Thailand does seem to be a popular country for the west to diss these days (not that it has avoided attracting criticism).

    Question – what happened in 2004-5? The Vietnam war was years ago.
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    • Talen
      January 3, 2010 | 1:33 am

      Cat, since the Vietnam war over 200, 000 Hmong have fled to Thailand and over the years there were several camps. This situation has actually been ongoing for 30 years. In 1995 Thailand closed most of the camps and sent the Hmong home to Laos.

      They keep coming back to Thailand and when they do they inter them in the camps again. Eventually they closed down all the camps except one and these refugees have been in that camp since 2004-2005.

      One interesting thing I found while looking through various news was a report on one of the reasons the Thai’s were adamant on not allowing them to remain in Thailand. The birth rate inside the refugee camps was 3 times that of the birth rate of Thai’s. And there was a study done that showed that they would out populate the Thai’s in so many decades.

      Grr I can’t find it now but I did find a PDF explaining the movement of refugees that was put out in 2003 when the last resettlement occurred.
      http://www.wisinfo.com/legacy/thailand/images/thailandmap.PDF

  4. Catherine
    January 3, 2010 | 2:05 am

    I wonder if the west threw a tizzy fit back in 1995 too, or is this just a recent acknowledgment…

    And good grief there are a LOT of Hmong living in the US!

    The high birth rate makes sense. They have limited access to jobs, money, and education (and I imagine, birth control). What else is there to do?
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    • Talen
      January 3, 2010 | 2:14 am

      Cat, what I don’t understand is America has resettled the Hmong in the past but they aren’t now….which I think lends credence to the Thai assertions that these Hmong are economic refugees. Australia only recognized 158 of the Homong as political refugees. And that is all they were willing to take.

      I wonder if casual readers of this news story out there even realize the sheer number of refugees that come to Thailand every year. They come from Burma, Cambodia, Laos and North Korea to name a few.

  5. Lloyd
    January 3, 2010 | 2:14 am

    Talen, this one I will say it would appear you have taken a stance without having any first hand contact with, or knowledge of the position faced by, the Hmong or other Laotian “refugees”.

    My wife’s family origins are from Laos and all but her direct family migrated to America following the Vietnam war. Although they are not Hmong they were accepted due to an unkle having connections with the then opposition party who “indirectly” supported the US.

    For the past 4 or so years my wife’s sister has worked for the Thai Government as a supplier of rice and also as a cleaner at one of the “Two” camps located near Nong Khai, yes there is two! From first hand accounts speaking to people in Laos and from what I have been told by my wife’s sister the Thai government has done what they should have done, and what they agreed to do in a joint agreement with the Loa PDR Government. The truth is that the majority of Laotion people interned had little or nothing to fear returning to Laos, other than being ostracized by their own friends and families and loss of face. The majority have sought refugee status with the hope they would be granted some right to live and work outside of Loas simply because they perceive the “grass is greener” on the other side of the Meekong and sought an easier lifestyle for themselves.

    As for what their lives might be like should they be granted refugee status in either the USa or any other western country I can only relate what I have been told first hand. Having met my wifes unkle last year one of my first questions was “are you happy in the USA”, his response was along the lines of “no it was the worst decision he had ever made, and that they would have returned if they had had the money”. During our conversation he pretty much described a life living as part of a community within the USA that was not respected or befreinded by the vast majority of “Americans”, White, Black or Hispanic, for the best part of the past 30 years. He even went as far as to compare their lives to those of the Hmong in the film “Gran Torino” saying between the controlling gangs and families and the racism directed at their community by the general public they had basically lived as prisoners in their own homes.

    In August last year my wifes aunt applied to the Laos PDR for permission to return to Vientiane with the intention of regaining citizenship and returning to start a family business. From what I have been told and seen for myself they were accepted without condition and have since purchased a small hotel and land in Vientiane with direct assistance from the Government, the whole family are due to return in 2010 pending sale of their family home etc in Michigan.

    • Talen
      January 3, 2010 | 2:26 am

      “Talen, this one I will say it would appear you have taken a stance without having any first hand contact with, or knowledge of the position faced by, the Hmong or other Laotian “refugees”.”

      Not sure I follow you here Lloyd. My stance is that Thailand shouldn’t be bearing the brunt of bad feelings that the world holds for a situation that the U.S. created. I also tend to agree with Thailand that the Hmong are economic and not political refugees. I also don’t think Thailand should have to clean up the mess the U.S. started.

      I actually know several Lao living in the U.S. they work on an electrical crew on my jobsites. They were all born and lived their first 8-10 years in Thailand’s refugee camps before being allowed to come to America.

  6. Lloyd
    January 3, 2010 | 2:49 am

    Outside of a few comments made by the UN, the usual socialists and the US State Department and its fellow cronies, ie: UK, Australia and Canada (pretty much the same idiots helping bring democracy to Iraq) very few, if any, other countries or media organisations have taken much notice of the actions of the Thai Goverment.

    I don’t believe this matter will reflect badly on Thailand nor is it a situation the USA created, sure they are part to blame but it could also be blamed on the Global economic crisis and lack of social and finiancial progress in the Lao PDR. The US State Department is pretty much running around using the media to detract the attention from the damage cuased by the previous administrations policies.

    • Talen
      January 3, 2010 | 3:00 am

      Lloyd, it’s not just the usual cronies this time. The story has been picked up by the majority of foreign press. And quite a few more governments than the usual cronies have condemned the action of the Thai’s.

      I would have to disagree with your assessment that the U.S. didn’t create this situation. If the U.S. would have stayed out of Laos and not recruited the Hmong and paid them for their secret war then we would never be having this discussion.

      The fact that Hmong are seeking political asylum (instead of economic ) is testament to that fact. They know they can use that card to stay out of Laos…but it looks like that isn’t working now.

  7. Lloyd
    January 3, 2010 | 8:29 am

    Talen your talents, no pun intended, as a “reporter” are beyond me and a calling I thing you should seriously think more about.

    I can only say that from what I have seen and comments from people I know and work with within the financial markets in Asia and Europe, people who take press coverage of any event seriously is that the Thai Government’s actions and stance towards the refugees was nothing unexpected or likely in any way to have any effect on Thailand’s relationship with foreign Governments. I would also go so far as to say it expected by the people incarcerated hence the reason so little has been heard about the matter since.

    • Talen
      January 3, 2010 | 9:19 am

      Lloyd, I believe you have been misreading a lot of what I have written.

      I never intimated that the actions of the Thai government were unexpected. This process has been going on for over 30 years and in the past 4 Thailand has been adamant about repatriating the last of the Hmong refugees to Laos.

      My question was and still is…why all the outrage now from world leaders concerning this situation when they have known for 4 years this would be the inevitable outcome unless they resettled the Hmong.

      Financially this won’t affect the Thai government and I never stated it would. what I did refer to is the agreement with Laos that Thailand signed some years ago. Thailand has taken it’s time honoring that agreement because there was talk of resettlement but the countries involved did little more than talk. Australia for instance claimed it wanted to resettle the Hmong but in the end they only wanted 158 not the over 4000.

      For Thailand to hold out longer on it’s agreement would surely strain relations with Laos and with already strained relations in Cambodia it’s something more Thailand doesn’t need on it’s plate.

  8. Lloyd
    January 3, 2010 | 11:51 am

    “My question was and still is…why all the outrage now from world leaders concerning this situation when they have known for 4 years this would be the inevitable outcome unless they resettled the Hmong.”

    What outrage, what world leaders??

    • Talen
      January 3, 2010 | 2:01 pm

      The European Union

      The United States

      England

      Canada

      Australia

      France

      Sweden

      New Zealand

      The Netherlands

      All of which released statements condemning the forced repatriation of the Hmong by Thailand. Expressing everything from outrage to being deeply dismayed.

      Most if not all also stated that they believed this was a serious violation of the customary international “law principle” that refugees shouldn’t be returned to their home countries if they face persecution or threats to their lives.

      Not to mention every human rights organization in existence that also released statements this past week expressing “outrage” that Thailand would forcibly repatriate the Hmong to Laos.

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